This is a matter of degrees, stories for the climate curious.

I'm Dr. Catherine Wilkinson.

It's just me today, bringing you a special episode, a live conversation I had a few weeks back, before the election, with my good friend and collaborator, Dr. Ayanna Elizabeth Johnson.

A lot has shifted since then.

I know folks are grieving, processing, preparing for what's ahead.

Me too.

One of the questions I'm holding in this moment is what is still true.

For me, the need to build community is a key answer.

Another is the imperative of imagining the futures we do want,

even and especially when they see most out of reach.

And that's at the heart of this conversation with Ayanna. She's a marine biologist, policy expert, writer.

We first met back in 2018 and connected pretty immediately around women's leadership on climate.

That shared passion led us to co-edit the All We Can Save Anthology, a collection of essays, poetry, and art from 60 women who are leading the movement.

And it turned out that book wanted to be more than a book, because there is

a leadership crisis at the heart of the climate crisis. So Iiana and I co-founded the All We Can Save

Project, the nonprofit I lead that is focused on nurturing the leadership we need for that future we want.

People, after all, are the beating heart of climate possibility. Ianna recently released a new book, What If We Get It Right? Visions

of Climate Futures. She and I sat down to talk about that book at the Carter Center in Atlanta.

The Carter Center holds a special place not just in my hometown, but in the environmental movement.

Now, a quick note on venue. The Carter Center holds a special place, not just in my hometown, but in the environmental movement. It was founded by Jimmy and Rosalind Carter.

During his presidency, Carter protected more than 100 million acres of land in Alaska.

He created the Department of Energy, promoted renewables, even installed solar panels on the White House.

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