The Pursuit of Liberty: A Conversation with Jeffrey Rosen and Jeffrey Goldberg

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National Constitution Center

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🗓️ 23 October 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Jeffrey Rosen launched his new book, The Pursuit of Liberty: How Hamilton vs. Jefferson Ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America, at the National Constitution Center in conversation with Jeffrey Goldberg, editor in chief of The Atlantic. The book explores how the opposing constitutional visions of Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton have defined the nation since its founding, shaped presidents from Washington to Trump, and continued to drive today’s debates over government power. This program was recorded live in Philadelphia on October 21, 2025, and presented in partnership with The Atlantic and the Weitzman National Museum of American Jewish History Resources Jeffrey Rosen, The Pursuit of Liberty: How Hamilton vs. Jefferson Ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America, (2025) Stay Connected and Learn More Questions or comments about the show? Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Continue the conversation by following us on social media @ConstitutionCtr ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Explore the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠America at 250 Civic Toolkit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to receive Constitution Weekly, our email roundup of constitutional news and debate Follow, rate, and review wherever you listen Join us for an upcoming ⁠live program⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or watch recordings on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support our important work: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Donate

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0:00.0	Hello friends, I'm Jeffrey Rosen, President and CEO of the National Constitution Center,
0:08.0	and welcome to We the People, a weekly show of constitutional debate.
0:12.0	The National Constitution Center is a non-partisan nonprofit, chartered by Congress,
0:16.0	to increase awareness and understanding of the Constitution among the American people.
0:26.3	This week, I was thrilled to celebrate the launch of my new book, The Pursuit of Liberty,
0:31.3	how Hamilton v. Jefferson ignited the lasting battle over power in America.
0:34.5	My friend Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of the Atlantic,
0:38.8	convened with me at the NCC to discuss the enduring significance of Hamilton v. Jefferson, and we gave some unexpected love for an underappreciated founder,
0:45.6	the great Gouverneer Morris. This program was recorded live in Philadelphia on October 21st,
0:51.6	2025. Please order the book and enjoy the show.
0:55.3	Hello, friends, and welcome to the National Constitution Center.
1:04.2	Please join me in welcoming the editor of the Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg.
1:12.6	You're so enthusiastic.
1:13.6	I'm very enthusiastic.
1:15.6	To have you here in front of the First Amendment to talk about
1:18.6	the pursuit of liberty is the greatest joy, I can imagine.
1:22.6	So grateful to you and the Atlantic for co-hosting tonight's event,
1:26.6	along with the Whitesman Museum for Jewish History,
1:31.0	and so excited to appear in the Atlantic's America 250 issue,
1:36.9	which is just this compendium of light and learning and deep illumination of American history. It's just a great honor to be part of it.
1:47.0	He's good. He's good. He's good.
1:50.0	In addition, we're so excited to be launching the American 250 Civic Toolkit. Friends, if you haven't checked it out online, you've got to do it.
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