The Psychology of Truth In a World of Lies | Sam Harris
Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais
Dr. Michael Gervais
4.6 • 1.8K Ratings
🗓️ 25 March 2026
⏱️ 120 minutes
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Summary
There's a version of honesty most of us have never tried. Not brutal honesty. Not radical honesty. Something quieter and more demanding than either: a genuine commitment to saying what is true and useful, and nothing else.
That is where this conversation begins.
Sam Harris, neuroscientist, philosopher, bestselling author, host of the Making Sense podcast, and creator of the Waking Up app, joins Dr. Michael Gervais for a conversation that moves across truth, consciousness, AI, religion, and the inner mechanics of the mind. What starts as a discussion about lying becomes something much larger: an examination of the hidden forces that shape what we believe, who we trust, and how free we actually are.
Sam and Dr. Mike explore what it costs us to keep two sets of books — one for people we care about, one for everyone else. They dig into why high-performing environments depend on truth-telling, how tribalism and dogmatism reliably pull us away from reality, and what it might mean to find solid ground in an era of increasing chaos.
And then the conversation turns inward. To thoughts, awareness, and the gap between pain and suffering. To what meditation actually is and what it can do. To the possibility that the freedom most of us are chasing doesn't require changing our circumstances at all.
If you are trying to get more honest with yourself and the people around you, this conversation will give you a lot to work with.
In this conversation, you'll learn:
- Why a commitment to not lying is one of the most clarifying decisions a person can make
- How tribalism and dogmatism corrupt our access to truth and keep us divided
- What AI and deep fakes may actually do to our relationship with institutions and shared reality
- The difference between pain and suffering, and why that gap matters
- Why you are not your thoughts, and what opens up when you more fully understand that
We’re excited for you to listen.
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| 1:09.8 | where the person's Cocker Spaniel saves them from a grizzly bear |
| 1:12.9 | because it's just people have made 15,000 of them in the last hour. I'm not even interested |
| 1:16.8 | in any of that anymore. I mean, as compelling as it can look, I'm going to wait for the New York |
| 1:20.5 | Times to tell me that really happened. In a world full of misinformation, tribalism, and noise, |
| 1:25.7 | how do you actually know what's true? The larger the circumference |
| 1:29.0 | of our scientific knowledge grows, the area of our ignorance, or at least implied ignorance, grows |
| 1:35.2 | with it. Welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Michael Gervais. |
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