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🗓️ 6 June 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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0:00.0 | Hey, deserving listeners, this is the next chapter in our deep dive on the psychology of the Menendez brothers and the case. |
0:09.6 | I knew nothing about this going into it, and so everything that Berto's telling me is completely new to me. |
0:15.7 | And I have been shocked, and we're now at the point where Berto's going to reveal to me the result of |
0:23.1 | the criminal trial and I don't know which way it's going to go. So let's find out today. This is |
0:30.4 | the Psychology in Seattle podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Kirkonda. I'm a therapist and a professor. |
0:35.0 | Who are you, Berto? My name is Umberto Castaneda, and I manufacture |
0:39.0 | the hardest buttons to button. Yeah, so where we last left off, both Lyle and Eric had testified |
0:44.5 | to this horrific long-term abuse that they said that they had endured. So where we're at, |
0:51.7 | the defense's claim is that one week before the murders, or roughly one week |
0:57.8 | before the murders, a huge argument, and then Kitty, which you didn't know this bit, |
1:03.0 | Kitty rips off Lyle's to pay during the argument. And at this moment, Eric didn't know that |
1:08.7 | Lyle wore a to pay. And, you know, people wear to pays. |
1:12.1 | People go bald and stuff. |
1:13.2 | But you would think this would be a big moment, right? |
1:15.9 | Like you have your brother, you look up to your brother, your brother's two years older. |
1:19.3 | And this whole time, he's been wearing a to pay. |
1:22.1 | He never told you. |
1:23.1 | So it's a big deal. |
1:24.1 | And also in the argument, like the mom's so angry that she rips off. |
1:29.1 | By the way, that must be really painful, too, right? Because I'm imagining that stuff's |
1:33.4 | like glued in. Like, I don't know, but it just sounds painful. All right. So to comment just a |
1:39.1 | little bit on the fact that Eric didn't know, because it sounds like Eric and Lyle were pretty close. |
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