What if the reason so many of us are struggling right now isn’t a lack of success… but a lack of connection to something deeper?

Dr. Lisa Miller is a clinical psychologist, professor at Columbia University, and author of The Awakened Brain, and her research challenges something many of us have been taught to overlook: that spirituality isn’t optional, and it isn’t just religion… it’s a core part of how we’re wired. Her journey began at 26, on an inpatient psychiatric unit, where she watched the best available treatments fall short for people in their darkest moments. When the unit had no clergy for Yom Kippur, she showed up with her grandmother’s prayer book and led a service in the back hall… and watched patients who had been despairing for months sit up, brighten, and begin to heal. That day set her on a 30-year scientific quest.

What she found reframes how we think about mental health. Buried in the back of large national data sets was a single question: how personally important is spirituality or religion to you? When Dr. Miller ran the numbers, a strong personal spirituality, with or without religion, turned out to be 80% protective against addiction and 82% protective against completed suicide — more protective against the diseases of despair than anything else known to the clinical sciences. Twin studies show this capacity is one-third innate and two-thirds environmentally formed, which means every one of us is born with it, and every one of us can strengthen it. Her MRI research, published in JAMA Psychiatry, found that a sustained spiritual life builds cortical thickness across the regions of the awakened brain, protecting against the recurrence of depression.

In this conversation with Dr. Michael Gervais, Lisa walks through the difference between achieving awareness and awakened awareness, the three neural circuits behind feeling loved, guided, and never alone, and how parents and leaders can put this science to work. Mike opens up about his own path… the early pull he felt toward a spiritual life, the pendulum swing toward achievement, and the hypocrisy he witnessed as a teenager that nearly cost him his connection to what Lisa calls the flame.

In this conversation, we explore:

• Why spirituality is an inborn capacity, not a belief
• The single research finding that reframes how we think about mental health
• The difference between the achieving brain and the awakened brain
• The three neural circuits behind feeling loved, guided, and never alone
• Why a sustained spiritual life physically strengthens the brain
• How parents can support a child’s natural spiritual awareness
• Why 90% of leaders made the most important decision of their lives through an awakened form of knowing
• How to heal from spiritual injury when a bad messenger breaks your trust

If you’ve ever felt successful on paper but disconnected in your life, this conversation offers a science-backed way back to something deeper.

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Dr. Lisa Miller’s Books: The Awakened Brain and The Spiritual Child

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