We've got an awesome patron exclusive episode today on the patron feed.

It is about the psychology of Christian nationalism with Pamela Cooper White from Union Seminary in New York City.

And if you want to hear the entire episode, you got to become a patron.

Seven bucks a month. Patreon.com slash Dan Coke. That link is always in the show notes.

You also get access to the patron-only Facebook group, two or three of these exclusive episodes

per month, and ad-free episodes on that patron feed. But a part of my

conversation with Pamela was so good and so practical. And in fact, I would say it really

applies so widely beyond simply the question of Christian nationalism, but really applies to kind of

anything that a loved one and you really disagree on, or something that you really think is a

danger in one way or another. Since Trump's election and burgeoning popularity within the evangelical world, this kind of conflict

between us and maybe family members, friends we grew up with, et cetera, has become, you know,

so common as to not barely even need to be mentioned. But I have felt there's a real lack of

practical tools, lenses, kind of like,

give me something with some steps that helps me discern how and when to talk to who in what

way. And Pamela developed this like red light, yellow light, green light system for her book on Christian nationalism that I think is just so good that it applies beyond that.

So I want to include this section of the conversation in the main feed because I wanted everybody to be able to hear this part no matter what.

I just thought it was so cool.

So that's what you're going to hear on the main feed here is just the kind of towards

the end of our conversation, this red, yellow, green light system and this kind of process

of discernment that she came up with that I think is so brilliant.

If you want to listen to the whole episode, then probably just go

check out the patron feed and you'll get to this part towards the end. In that episode, we talk

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