Hey everybody, Michael Still here. I'm so glad you could tune in for this episode of the Michael Still podcast because it's a little bit different, particularly given who our guest is this time out Mary Trump is joining us.

She is a clinical psychologist holding a PhD from the Derner Institute of Advanced Psychological Studies at a Delphi University.

She has taught graduate courses in trauma and developmental psychology. She is also the host of the podcast the Mary Trump show and author of the international number one bestseller too much and never enough.

How my family created the world's most dangerous man and we don't talk a lot about that dangerous man on this episode of the podcast. I really wanted to tap into her expertise to understand the psychology behind the crazy that we are experiencing right now in our country.

So buckle up, grab a couch, probably a stiff drink. You're going to need it as Mary Trump joins us here on the Michael Still podcast right after this.

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Everybody, welcome to the Michael Still podcast. Yes, I'm stoked. I'm stoked. I'm really excited about this conversation.

I was saying to Mary a little bit before we came on that when I heard she was, she'd agreed to come on. I was like, yes. Great, great land. I love it. I love it.

Mary, Mary, Mary, all so good to have you with us, Mary. Thank you so much for being on the Michael Still podcast.

Oh, Michael, it's absolutely my pleasure. And as I said you earlier, I feel like I've known you forever. So it's bizarre to me that we haven't actually met in before.

Yeah, I mean, really, it really is. And I think probably COVID interrupt us kind of probably for stalled a lot of that, but we it's a real treat to get you on right now.

One of the things I really want to get into conversation with you and I'll be very straight up with you and and the listeners here.

I'm not, I don't want to get into the whole, oh, what's Donald Trump? I don't want to do that.

Thank you.

I really, because I've watched you handle that with a level of grace that at a certain point now to say, really?

Is that the only question you can ask me about this man?

I want to broaden, I want to broaden our conversation out a little bit further, because I think it's important.

And, and a little bit smart to tap into your background, your actual work. I mean, folks don't appreciate.

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