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🗓️ 26 June 2025
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This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin Wittes and Natalie Orpett, and University of Virginia School of Law professor Ashley Deeks, to talk through the week’s big national security news, including:
In object lessons, forget day-of-the-week underpants (or pronghorn shirts)! Ben spurs on a need for more day-of-the-week monsters with the last weather report you’ll ever need. Natalie is escaping, not just from reality but also from the heat, with her local bookstore, East City Bookshop. Scott shared the heartbreaking news that The Atlantic is stealing yet another Rational Security co-host emeritus as our beloved Quinta Jurecic begins her next crazy venture beneath the skies (Quinta, we miss you already!). And Ashley, channeling our bereavement at Quinta’s departure, recommends Alone on the History Channel.
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| 0:00.0 | So, Ben, we spent the last week getting up close and personal photos from you sent to the office slack next to some very large mammals with very sharp horns. |
| 0:10.1 | I'm pleased to report you made it back to the office from your vacation without any visible wounds or injuries or trample marks. |
| 0:16.4 | You know, I'm impressed. |
| 0:18.3 | I would just like to say that the appearance of proximity can be deceptive |
| 0:24.6 | with appropriate camera equipment, and that as you should not oppose bison, moose, elk or prong |
| 0:33.4 | horns, or bears, I did not either whatever pictures might suggest otherwise. |
| 0:40.7 | Well, I haven't seen the pictures, so what were you sending? |
| 0:44.4 | So we were in the Tiedens in Wyoming, which are truly majestic, and the wildlife is astonishing. |
| 0:56.2 | The opportunities for megafauna photography are amazing, |
| 1:03.0 | particularly if you happen to travel with a 400mm lens. |
| 1:07.0 | So I was sending large moose pictures back to the crew as well as some bear pictures. |
| 1:17.2 | We had a number of encounters, including with an animal that I didn't previously know existed, |
| 1:25.0 | which is the pronghorn, which turns out to be the second fastest land mammal |
| 1:31.1 | in the world. Behind Scott Anderson. Just when I'm speaking, not actually running. Just how fast I talk. |
| 1:40.0 | Because it is so fast and it is confident it can outrun you, even if you're in a car, it really has very little fear of people, it turns out. |
| 1:51.7 | And so it kind of grazes nearby. And as long as you don't make any sudden movements, it's really not going to do very much. |
| 1:59.9 | And so I had a great time and, you know, you take these pictures and you upload them to |
| 2:04.7 | Lawfair's Slack channel, and then everybody gets nervous because you're too close to big animals, |
| 2:10.0 | even though you're not really. |
| 2:11.8 | Will you start wearing pronghorn t-shirts into the office? |
| 2:15.4 | You know, I have never seen a pronghorn t-shirt, but you know what I'm going to be doing |
| 2:21.7 | while other people are talking while we record this show. |
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