The Process of Church Disestablishment in America with Jonathan Den Hartog

Life and Books and Everything

Clearly Reformed

Books, Religion & Spirituality, Arts, Christianity

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🗓️ 23 November 2022

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

If you love long words like antidisestablishmentarianism and are looking for a deep dive into history, then this episode is for you. Jonathan is a professor at Samford University who specializes in the founding era of American history. He joins Kevin to talk about the 50 years process by which the American states ended their church establishments. Find out how it happened, why it happened, and why it did not happen (hint: it wasn’t because secularism was winning out over Christianity).

Timestamps:

0:00 Intro and Sponsor

1:09 Guest: Jonathan Den Hartog

4:56 Religion and Disestablishment in the American States

13:49 Secularism or Religious Liberty?

39:39 Presbyterian Perspectives

44:58 Freed from Worldly Cares

49:04 Liberal Religion in Massachusetts

54:11 "Doing History"

Books:

Disestablishment and Religious Dissent: Church-State Relations in the New American States

Come, Lord Jesus: Meditations on the Second Coming of Christ

Transcript

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0:00.0	Greetings and salutations. Welcome to Life and Books and Everything. I'm Kevin DeYoung.
0:16.8	And good to have you back with us. I will introduce my guest, Jonathan Den Hartog. What a great sounding last name that is. In just a moment, first I want to thank Crossway, as always, sponsoring the program and want to mention a new book by Dane Ortland. I know many listeners out there benefited from, of course, gentle and lowly and other books by Dane.
0:40.2	This one is 150 daily devotions through the Psalms in the Lord. I take refuge and could be a good gift for Christmas or maybe something you want to get for yourself.
0:50.7	But each reading is short enough to complete in five minutes and encourages believers to
0:56.7	thoughtfully ponder and pray through 150 Psalms. So the Psalms have often been great fodder
1:03.1	for daily devotions, and Dane walks us through those. So thank you to Crossway.
1:09.1	Jonathan Den Hartog, welcome to Life and Books and Everything. Thank you to Crossway. Jonathan Den Hartog, welcome to Life and Books and Everything.
1:14.8	We are talking about a topic that we didn't know would be so relevant.
1:20.2	Listeners may not know that I try to plan out really a semester of interviews several months in advance.
1:26.7	So this one has been on the calendar
1:27.8	for two, three months now. This is just when it lined up to do this. And I wanted to talk
1:33.3	about a book that Jonathan edited with Carl S. Beck came out in 2019 by University of Missouri.
1:42.1	And their Amazon sales are about to go through the roof with this thing.
1:46.1	I can just, I'm sure of it. But I really enjoyed the book, and I could sense over the summer,
1:52.4	hey, this is, this is not simply an academic discussion, but this is a live discussion all of a sudden.
1:59.3	And even more so now, when we're recording this on Monday,
2:02.8	November 21, the book is called Disestablishment and Religious Dissent, Church-State Relations
2:08.2	in the New American States 1776 to 1833. So we're going to talk about church establishments
2:15.5	and disestablishment. Very exciting for people like us and hopefully
2:19.7	a few others. But before we do that, Jonathan, you teach at Samford. Are you from Iowa?
2:27.7	Yes, indeed. Well, yeah, give us a little bit more background on yourself.
2:32.5	Well, so first of all, great to be here. I discovered the
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