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Hey friend, it's Nicole, host of the Nicole Walters podcast.

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Thank you. Hey, all, so you know how I am about interviews. You know, I don't like to just bring people in for no good reason. And one of the things I'm trying to be really tight about going into 2025 is I really want to make sure that we're seeing sides of people. One of the phrasings that you've heard

me talk about and nothing is missing. And you've heard me say a lot that is like a why magic

phrase I use with my kids is tell me more about that. And tell me more about that is essentially my way

of allowing people without boundaries to be able to just share what's on their heart, what's on

their mind, what's their lived experience. And it's also what I say to my kids when I don't

know what else to say to them. And I'm excited because, you know, for this particular chat,

I've brought on a really good friend of mine, Jasmine McCall, who is the CEO founder and

co-creator of an incredible company called Paybump. Now, several of you already subscribe. You use it.

It's amazing. It's an HR resource that can help you find a great job, prepare for a great job.

I mean, it really is this incredible.

And BT Dub's not a sponsor.

Okay, I just really believe in the product.

But all that being said, I'm excited because there's so much more to her.

And I think that she's a great example of a place that a lot of us are in or want to be in, where

we built something great and there was some intentionality there, but it's now expanding beyond our

greatest, you know, hopes, which is wonderful, but we also don't want to be trapped by it, right?

We don't want to have golden handcuffs. We maybe see a pivot in sight, whether by need or by

desire, and we're trying to figure out what

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