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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

The President vs. the Governors

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2020

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

How is coronavirus — and President Trump’s response to it — hitting blue states and red states differently? Ross, Michelle and David debate. Then, how should Joe Biden change his campaign strategy around Trump’s coronavirus fumbles? Frank Bruni joins in the argument. And finally, a bittersweet goodbye. For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.2

I'm Ross Douthand.

0:02.4

I'm David Leonhardt.

0:03.8

And this is the argument.

0:10.7

This week, is President Trump using coronavirus

0:14.4

to get back at his detractors?

0:16.7

Date officials believe that if they criticize Trump

0:20.7

or fail to praise him sufficiently,

0:22.9

they might not get the aid that they need.

0:25.3

Then, Times' opinion columnist Frank Bruney

0:28.6

joins us for a discussion about what Joe Biden should be doing right now.

0:33.0

Joe Biden needs above all to be patient,

0:36.0

and that's not a word that comes into political discourse a whole lot.

0:39.6

And finally, a recommendation.

0:52.5

President Trump's response to the coronavirus

0:55.1

continues to oscillate between serious

0:57.6

and not serious at all.

0:59.6

He has finally been persuaded to keep the country

1:01.6

largely shut down through the end of April,

1:03.8

but he also continues to make wild accusations,

1:06.5

like when he suggested this week that hospitals weren't actually using the masks

1:10.1

that they were receiving.

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