Welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. I'm your host John Harris. We are going to talk about a book today by Catherine Stewart called The Power Worshippers. It is actually a book that has been made into a documentary that is going to be

coming out soon called God and country about Christian nationalism and there's a

number of people who claim to even be evangelical like David French and Russell Moore and

Mark Tisbee and Kristen Dumas who are actually part of that documentary and we

played the trailer a few weeks ago on this podcast and really concluded that they were carrying the water of people who just hate Christians, who hate Christianity, don't want it to have any influence in the country, at least any political influence or social influence and

and so the question has been why would people who claim to be Christians be part of that and I think the answer is probably

fairly simple and maybe it's our cynical side that wants to say it but after years

of observing this you know the people who are part of that who claim to be Christians

are doing it because they want to ingratiate themselves to the world.

They want people in the world to like them, to think well of them, and they want to throw under

the bus the people that they supposedly represent.

And it's a sad thing and it's a story that we've seen over and over and over and I don't want to lament that right now, but just jogging everyone's memory for those who

listen to the podcast we've already talked about this some but I wanted to get into the book

I don't know if I knew at the time when I recorded that

podcast reacting to the God and Country trailer that it was based off of this book

by Stuart and when I read the book and've actually I've listened to the book on

audible twice and then I downloaded the Kindle and I kind of went through that and so I

I'm pretty familiar with what she's saying.

It just strikes me as an anti-Christian diatribe. That's really what the book is.

And of course, she may object to that. And and in fact the people who are promoting the documentary may even object to that and say, well, they're not really against Christianity, just a certain type of Christianity, a Christianity that wants to have influence and actually believes the things the Bible says and

that's really what they're against. So it's I think for this audience most of you

understand that's just true Christianity the Christianity that actually believes what the Bible says and wants to, and sees

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