Welcome once again to the conversations that matter Podcast. I am your host John Harris as always and

some of you know that we did a series now it's going back maybe two months maybe three months actually when we did a series on classical liberalism and

and liberalism more broadly trying to understand what exactly liberalism is

enlightened and rationalism.

And that was helpful for many of you.

And I know some of you didn't, you know,

this was a, you gotta take like three Advil

to get through some of those podcasts, getting all the information in, and it's outside the box.

And I think those who made it through, though, new at the end, okay, this makes sense.

This is why the conservative critique of wokism or

social justice seems so inemic sometimes because actually some of the foundational

elements of social justice are already embedded within the right in America today and in the

Western world.

And so I could not help myself but invite our guest today on Jared Lavelle who is a teacher.

He teaches at the Memorial Academy

and he is a deacon in the Reformed Episcopal Church

because I heard you, Jared, on a podcast, the Chronicles magazine

podcast talking about some of these issues and you covered an angle we didn't really get into,

which is the difference between natural rights and natural law.

And so I figured we'll talk about that and then go any direction that you want to go, but I thought

you did a fantastic job.

So thank you for joining me.

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