Welcome back to The Exorcist Files, the show where we tell demons where to go.

Joining me as always, well, not always, but for most of the best episodes, is the one and the only Father Carlos Barton's. Father, thanks for joining us today. Yeah, absolutely, Ryan. Good to be here. Good to be here with everyone else. Absolutely. Father, we're talking today about a subject I know you love, saints, which we're all, that's the goal, right? We're all trying to be saints in one sense. Absolutely. That's the name of the game. Yep. You're failing at life if you're not trying to be a saint.

The root of saint is sanctus, which means holy. So to be a saint means you're holy, which itself means

set apart, which means different, which means exceptional. And that is that for which you were created. And if you're

not doing that, then you are failing. And Father, we've done a few episodes on a couple different saints,

but for some of our listeners who wonder, this is the Exorcist Files. And I thought it's just cases

of things that go bump in the night and spinning heads and climbing on roofs and spitting at the priest.

Father, why is it so important for us to talk about people like St. Catherine of Siena or

St. Maria Goretty? What's the broader theme here as it pertains to exorcism?

Well, in each of these persons, as with every saint, there's an exceptional amount of

excellence within

them. And what that means is that Jesus Christ was able to be incarnate within them. When

he implants his grace, when he sows his grace within us, what that means is he's sewing himself.

It's his own very life. So it's not something distinct from God, but it is a

commingling of God in the human person. And that makes the devil crazy. He despises that.

So the devil wants to come about and bring an end to that because it literally is the end of his

kingdom. It's the end of his reign if he

permits that to happen. So he's going to be vehemently against that. And so when we look at

this excellence within the saints that has become incarnate, it does so many things. So first

of all, it educates us about grace, about that relationship with God. It

educates us about the heights to which we can rise, right? Like the heights to which we can

imitate Christ and rise above the circumstances of natural life, of just plain old human life,

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