This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Monday, November 25th, 2019.

I'm Caleb Brown.

The Rappon Cities is that they're dominated by the left and everywhere else is dominated by the right.

That division has potentially very high costs to people who live in cities and those who left

long ago.

Patrick Tuhi directs policy at the Better Cities Project. We spoke last month in Colorado Springs about cities and what makes them work.

I think that certainly is the view. You know we talk about two Americas, we talk about fly over country, you know, the

coastal elites.

There's an awful lot of, you know, angry talk about the two groups but it isn't doesn't necessarily need to be so you know you think about all the business and the commerce and the the free

market thinking and investment that that goes on in cities it shouldn't be something

that one side kind of runs away from.

Yes, cities are massively productive.

They are very productive.

It's one of the greatest inventions of all time.

It absolutely is. And yet, and yet conservatives have this view that they either don't want to live there or they're not welcome there.

In 2008, I was working on a local

streetcar campaign in Kansas City and I talked to one of the local

politicians and I said you know what's wrong with Kansas City?

And he said, well, anybody who cares about efficient government or wants to run a

business or educate their children well has already left.

They've moved out to the suburbs, and in Kansas City's case the suburbs are across state line in Kansas.

And I think he was right and I think he's right about a lot of cities around the

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