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Hello! when you go to automatic.com slash money. Hello and welcome to, I'm very excited about this, the podcast podcast.

This is a meta podcast edition of Slate Money, which is ordinarily your guide to the business

and finance news of the week.

And we are going to talk about one or two things which happened this week.

But really, this is a whole episode devoted to nothing but podcasts and the business and finance

of the very thing you are listening to right now.

And I'm super excited, along with Kathy O'Neill, who's here and my favorite person, the blogger at mathbabe.org.

You're my favorite person, too, Felix.

Along with Kathy, we have the amazing Alex Bloomberg, who has two podcasts and a company called Gimlet Media.

Yes, very excited to be here.

Thanks for having me.

And also we have Will Mayo, who is the CEO and founder of a company called Spoken Layer.

It's great to be here, Felix.

So before we find out even what Gimlet Media and Spoken Layer are,

and before we talk about how all of this business works and talk about big companies like

Apple and Facebook, I'm going to ask Alex a simple question, which is this, which is, if this

is the podcast podcast, what is a podcast? Is it slaked money? Is it the whole thing which you

subscribe to and can have infinity episodes?

Or is it an episode of a podcast?

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