And there's some breaking news as we record this podcast.

Philip Hammond has announced that he will resign from the cabinet if Boris Johnson becomes leader.

Close the door on your way out, Phil.

You hard-hearted man, Ian Dale.

Doesn't it make... Doesn't it just get to you, though? These people grandstanding saying,

I'm not going to... I won't wait for him to sack me. I'm going to resign. I'll get over yourselves.

No, Ian, he's the

Chancellor of the Exchequer. If the Office of Budget Responsibility tell him that we'll have

to borrow twice as much next year if we ex-Brexit without a deal than we have done this year,

then he probably thinks it's going to make his job a bit bloody difficult. Well, he won't have

one, so there we go.

Well, precisely, but it's not wrong. It's not grandstanding to point out to the public.

...over the last three years than any other government minister. He hasn't allowed

government departments to prepare for no-deal Brexit. He's been an absolute unmitigated disaster as

Chancellor. I mean, I'd rather he hadn't been the Chancellor because I'd rather we'd

had a Labour Chancellor. But I think that's, I think that is wholly wrong, Ian. Go on. John

McDonald or Philip Hammond, I think I know which one you'd choose. No, actually, I would

probably choose John McDonnell.

Probably.

Yeah, probably.

Yeah.

We all know what you really mean.

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