BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

Patrick. Laura Coonsberg and you, the newscaster, hello. Hello. It's a scoop Sunday. Peter

Manil's given his first interview to you, but it's in the feed, we can listen to it, but what was he like?

Peter Mandelson, over the years, has always been somebody who has had something of a swagger,

something of a bit of dash and a bit of a long, some people might say, others might say,

sort of ridiculous silkeness and confidence, and he's got a reputation as being an incredible

master communicator.

My impression of him when we sat down yesterday was that he has been, I think, quite devastated by

losing this job in the White House, working with the White House. I think he has been

absolutely devastated too by the loss of his reputation because of his dealings

with Geoffrey Epstein and I think he is at the moment a very changed person now

whether or not he will you know bounce back and he clearly by deciding that he

wanted to take a tiptoe into public to public this week to offer his take on President Trump as well as explain what happened between him and Jeffrey Epstein, he clearly does want to move on. In fact, he said that in part of our interview. He said, I'm moving on. But it's a very different Peter Madelson that we encountered yesterday to the one who people have

over the years seen popping up on their screens

is sort of Uber confident

Uber master communicator

and his critics would say an Uber manipulator

too of other politicians

I'm interested to hear how you took it

being sitting in front of him

and we'll discuss the content

with our own Henry at home

...