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Intelligent Design the Future

The Pentadactyl Whale Flipper: An Engineering Masterstroke

Intelligent Design the Future

Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

Science, Philosophy, Astronomy, Society & Culture, Life Sciences

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🗓️ 12 July 2023

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Does the five-digit design of the whale flipper, curiously akin to the five-digit design of so many different kinds of animal limbs, point to evolutionary common descent? That was Charles Darwin’s argument, and the argument is a staple of high school and college biology textbooks. But no, says distinguished British engineer Stuart Burgess on today’s ID the Future in his conversation with host Eric Anderson. The repeated recurrence of the pentadactyl form is better explained by reference to the idea of common design. That is, a master designer reused the pentadactyl design theme because it achieves an optimal trade-off between strength on the one hand (no pun intended) and suppleness or dexterity on the other. And yes, Burgess says, the giant flipper on a whale needs to be not just incredibly strong but also supple to allow the whale to maneuver adroitly through the water. This reuse of a good design concept shouldn’t surprise us, Burgess says. Just as human engineers reuse the concepts of the wheel, axle, nut and bolt, or pulley, so too the designer of life reuses shrewd engineering solutions in widely different applications, in each case adapting the design concept for the particular use. Burgess also rebuts the claim that whales have vestigial pelvic bones from a land-dwelling ancestor. He then moves from the big to the small, pointing to more positive evidence in favor of common design (over Darwinian common descent) in marsupial and placental rats and in a protein machine best known for one job but that has been found to “moonlight” doing a very different job in a very different biological context. Tune in to hear Burgess unpack the full argument. The conversation took place at the 2023 Conference on Engineering in Living Systems (CELS) in Denton, Texas.

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0:00.0

I. Welcome to ID the future. We've often been taught that homology is one of the best

0:16.4

evidences for evolution, but what does the data really show? Hello I'm Eric

0:21.0

Anderson and today I'm joined by Dr. Stuart Burgess.

0:24.0

Burgess is professor of engineering design at Bristol University in the UK.

0:28.0

He is currently editor of two bioengineering journals,

0:31.0

and a lead designer for the British Olympic

0:33.4

cycling team for the Paris Olympics. He was lead designer for the European

0:37.4

Space Agency working on the Meta Top satellites. He has had two research

0:42.3

fellowships at Cambridge University and published

0:45.0

over 200 papers on the Science of Design in Engineering and Nature.

0:49.3

Welcome, Stuart.

0:50.3

Thank you.

0:51.3

Well, Stuart, we are today here at the Conference on Engineering and Living Systems. It's great to be across the table from you instead of calling from overseas.

1:00.0

Yeah, it's very good to be here. Yeah, we're glad you could travel and be here in Texas with us and join us for this wonderful conference.

1:08.0

So one of the icons of evolution, if you will, that we often hear about is the pentedactyl limb and that has been put forward

1:14.7

for decades as one of the great evidences of evolution and in terms of a homology one of the great

1:21.9

examples of how the human hand or the human foot is similar to the

1:26.2

whale fin and therefore this proves evolution.

1:29.2

In fact, I had just pulled up a few minutes ago, I just searchedened Acta Lim in Google and the very first hit said,

1:36.7

this is from biology online.com.

1:38.8

It says a limb with five digits such as a human hand or foot which are found in many amphibia reptiles, birds, and animals

1:46.2

which can allow us to deduce that all species

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