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Rational Security

The "Pawing at Scott" Edition

Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute

Politics, Nationalsecurity, Government, Middleeast, News, Foreignpolicy

4.8 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Alan Rozenshtein, Eric Columbus, and Molly Roberts for a deep dive into two of the week’s big national security news stories:

  • “Slipping Down the Slope.” Last week’s killing of 37-year-old ICU nurse Alex Pretti by Border Patrol agents in Minneapolis, Minnesota, has triggered what increasingly appears to be a national backlash against the Trump administration’s immigration policies and ICE’s violent tactics. Republicans and Democrats alike have been increasingly public in their criticism of the administration’s actions—and, in particular, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem—while state officials have begun exploring more legal avenues for pushing back against federal officials. The Trump administration, meanwhile, may be shifting tack, as it has replaced Border Patrol commander-at-large Greg Bovino with immigration czar Tom Homan on the ground in Minneapolis and adopted a more conciliatory tone. Is this a real turning point for the Trump administration’s flagship policy? Or more of a feint?
  • “Now We’re Just Waiting on Artificial Strength, Dexterity, Wisdom, and Charisma.” Last week, the artificial intelligence company Anthropic released what it’s calling a “constitution” for its premier AI model, Claude. The constitution seeks to instill a moral framework, value system, and even a personality in the AI model, taking an unprecedented step in both private AI governance and AI personhood. How does Claude’s constitution factor into broader discussions about AI development and regulating how models should interact with users?

In object lessons, Eric sticks to classic Rational Security orthodoxy by recommending an actual, physical object: his wife’s beloved migraine-slaying device, The Tingler. Alan flagrantly violates the show’s informal norms with a repeat recommendation—season 2 of The Night Manager (plus some unsolicited fawning over Tom Hiddleston). Scott, desperate for warmth, throws the rulebook into the fire with a double object lesson: 1) Metro’s Fire Snake to satisfy your basic human need for fire, and 2) long underwear to satisfy your base-layer needs. And Molly restores order with a hat that truly captures how we’re all feeling: America is in trouble, and we’re tired.

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0:00.0

Well, I'm glad you all appear to have survived the coming of winter, of true winter here.

0:05.7

Alan is smugly smiling into his mug, his Minnesota mug, as he slowly sips a hot beverage

0:12.2

and laughs at our incompetence here at an agent's gap, along with most of the country.

0:16.4

But I say, this is the weirdest snow I think I've ever encountered and I can't quite think of a parallel like

0:22.2

do you get this do you get this like just solid ice snow in Minnesota is this a common occurrence

0:26.2

well so what I don't have a sense of so what what are you guys dealing with because because for us

0:30.5

we've had for us the issue has been temperature so we got to like minus 20 on Friday which was bad

0:36.1

that's when they closed the schools that's not great But we actually haven't had any precipitation. And, you know, other than the frigid temperatures, it's been like really lovely here. It's been, you know, bright blue skies and stuff like that. So what is the, what is the snow situation in our nation's capital? Well, part of the situation is it's not really snow. It's ice. I think that was the issue.

0:54.5

It snowed a few inches, and then it sleeted, and then it got cold again, so there's no

0:58.6

iced over, and it's like being on a glacier.

1:02.3

It's crazy.

1:03.7

I kind of liken it to being a mouse walking on creme brule.

1:08.9

It's not as tasty.

1:09.7

I mean, if you're the mouse, you can eat the crunchy topping. And unfortunately, that it's not true. But you can also fall through it. From step to step, you don't know which one it's going to be. So it keeps it interesting. Yeah. I had to drive my daughter to daycare today because affiliate with like a hospital system was miraculously open, like one of very few in the city.

1:45.7

And it was perilous. It took me like, I think daycare is half a mile away. It took me like 30 to 40 minutes round trip because I had to like get my car in a 30 point turn out of my garage after having shoveled it all out last night, but because the ice was just so piled up everywhere. Like there's not enough place to put all the ice and snow because then of it's melting.

1:45.8

So I just don't know how exactly... out last night, but because the ice was just so piled up everywhere. Like, there's not enough place to put all the ice in snow because then it's melting.

2:34.7

So I just don't know how exactly, I mean, I'm not going to lie. My experience driving around today was like, yeah, we don't want people driving around in this. People should just stay home. But like, I don't see when that changes because there's nothing you can do with all this ice. A kitten showed up in my home on Friday right before the storm, and we had to take it inside because the giant storm was coming. But now we just have this kitten. We have found somewhere to adopt it out. Almost certainly definitely at this point. I think that's the kitten rule. Like, once you're stuck with it for three days, you kind of owed it at that point. It's hard to get rid of. People say, people say, oh, this cat adopted you, but there's some discord in the household as to whether that's true. And we can't get it anywhere else. We can't drive. So it's just here. It's pawing at the screen right now. It's pawing at your face right now, Scott. I'm deadly allergic to cats. so please don't to back the fuck off.

2:41.5

I think listeners often are pawing at their screen when Scott is... Yeah, exactly.

2:42.4

It's not an uncommon occurrence.

2:43.9

It's a range of reasons why they're pawing.

2:45.9

Some positive, some not so positive.

2:48.0

Some negative.

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