There was just another high-profile soup protest with climate protesters throwing soup at the Mona Lisa in France.

And to be clear, throwing soup at the plexiglass protecting the Mona Lisa, the painting was not harmed.

It did spark yet another round of discourse though about whether these tactics work or

whether climate activists are being too radical or whether they're just

being annoying and making everyone hate them and their cause, all of which makes it an

excellent time to talk to social scientist Dana R Fisher about her research over the past several years on the climate movement and her book which

brings all that research together. It's called saving ourselves and it comes out today. It's all about the climate movement,

what tactics have and haven't worked for it, and where it's headed in the years ahead.

Welcome back to drilled the real free speech threat. I'm Amy Westerfeld. After the break, a

conversation with Dana Fisher. Environmental justice is a talking point in every politician's toolkit, but do you ever

wonder where it all began?

On this week's throughline, we're taking you back to 1978,

where a fight against a toxic dump in North Carolina

started the Environmental Justice Movement.

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Hi, I'm Dana R.. I am the Director of the Center for Environment, Community and Equity,

and a professor at the School of International Service at American University, which is a mouthful.

I'm also the author of saving ourselves from climate shocks to climate action.

Okay, so the first thing I want to tell you about my reaction to this book was I was like,

oh, it's so nice to read a researched academic book

that's really well written and easy to read.

Thank you.

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