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The Past and Future of Marriage

RadioWest

KUER

Society & Culture

4.7772 Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

There’s a mismatch between what people say about marriage and what they really do about it. Stephanie Coontz’s book explains how we got here and where we could go.

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0:00.0

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0:06.6

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0:15.6

For decades, the historian Stephanie Kuntz has been asking people to reconsider what they think they know about marriage.

0:22.6

And there's a clue to her approach in the title of one of her best-known books, The Way We Never Were.

0:29.0

Again and again, Kuntz has argued our assumptions about the past are often wrong, or at least they're incomplete.

0:34.9

We imagine a time when families were more stable, when men and women knew

0:39.1

their roles, when marriage was simpler. But she says, it's not how it worked. And in her new book,

0:45.5

Kuntz is at it again. This time she's trying to explain how it is that marriage rates have

0:50.7

fallen dramatically over the past half century, but people are still getting

0:55.4

married and still talking about it as deeply important. And to understand it, Kuntz says you have to

1:01.8

look at how marriage has changed over time, not just ideas about love and sex and freedom, but

1:07.4

how economic insecurity and growing inequality have changed what people expect from it.

1:14.0

And the book is full of stories that complicate what we think we know about the past. Here's one of

1:18.9

them. A few years ago, Coons got a call from a reporter at the New York Times. She calls this story

1:24.7

the mystery of the Mrs.

1:36.3

Like many young activists, I grew up in an era of the 1950s and 60s when people would call in and say,

1:37.8

this is Mrs. John Doe.

1:43.4

I always assumed this was a legacy of patriarchy.

1:54.4

But the newspaper called me because they were going through old issues and finding that even people who were really famous on their own were identified as Mrs. Frank Sinatra.

1:57.8

So they said, well, when did this start?

2:04.4

To my surprise, originally, Mrs. did not describe a woman's marital aspect.

2:08.0

It described a woman's social status.

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