Welcome back to the podcast, Bride, Swindle, or Steel.

I'm Alexandra Rogge and this week we're listening in on my conversation at the recent

Trace Forum with Kevin Hall, the organized crime and corruption reporting projects

North American editor. Kevin was on the 2017 Pulitzer Prize-winning team as a lead U.S. partner in the Panama Papers investigation,

and he later served as an advisor for the Alex Winter documentary, The Panama Papers.

We chat about the OCCRP's impact around the world, how a major leak investigation works, and how the

Panama Papers changed journalism forever. Here's Kevin.

I like to tell people we're the largest newsroom you've never heard of. So we have editors

on all six continents. Antarctica's probably not in the offing unless oil or something changes things.

We actually have investigative editors on all six continents.

We have between staff and member centers more than 140 people around the world.

That's a pretty big newsroom.

I'm not sure how that stacks up against AP, but it's not bad.

And it's people with a wide range of skills.

We had our 15th anniversary, our Kinseniera, last summer.

The mission is what attracted me to OCCRP.

I'd worked with them over the years.

And the mission is it takes a network to fight a network, right?

So you don't get in this business because you want to get rich,

you get in this business because you've got kind of a soft spot for injustice and you're usually angered by injustice. That's why you become a reporter. That's why you write books about these topics. You have to have a certain kind of DNA for it. And it just seemed the right fit. It's a different sort of newsroom. I can say after 22 years of conventional news, it's

definitely a different animal, but sometimes you've got to change your stripes. Can you tell us a little

bit about, you were on the Pulitzer Prize winning team in 2017. How did the Panama papers,

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