Hey folks, welcome back to another edition of the Palo Solution Podcast, Rob Wolfier.

Today's show is awesome, which is super exciting. I think I've mentioned

to you folks that I'm about 20 years into this paleo, low-carb, ancestral health,

you know kind of exploration and I honestly never thought I would live to see the day

that a company like Verda Health and a doctor like Dr. Sarah Hallberg would happen.

And if you're not familiar with Verda, they are a company that was formed by

Dr. Finney and Volick famous within the ketogenic diet realm and also Sami Einkainin who's kind of a luminary in the

tech startup scene and they had this kind of wacky idea that maybe using a

low-carb ketogenic diet could be incredibly powerful in stemming the tide of the type 2 diabetes epidemic that all

industrialized nations face.

And so Dr Hallberg is a key player in this story, an amazing clinician, really a fascinating

back story as to how she came into doing what she's doing.

She was a high-carb, low-fat Dean Ornish advocate and then when she started really reading the

literature and digging in on what should work and wouldn't work for the you know the problems that she was seeing in a clinical setting that high-carb low-fat

vegan-based diet just wasn't really cutting it and so she iteratively moved towards a lower-carb

approach and now is involved with Verda Health and we got to dig into a lot of different topics.

We unpacked the recent study that Verda published on a year-long intervention with 500 folks on a ketogenic diet.

We talked a little bit about where people can go awry in chasing ketone levels. Clearly ketones are important signaling

molecules or some efficacy to having some degree of ketone levels but I personally

and you know when you look out in the internet you see a lot of people

running your ground by chasing specific ketone levels they will do squirrely things

like really restrict protein, elevate fat,

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