Hey folks, Rob Wolf here. The weight is over. Wired to Eat is now available anywhere books are sold.

You can check it out also at wired toeat.com. on. really excited for today's guest. First guest is Matt Thornton.

Matt is one of my personal heroes. He is the founder of the Straight Glass Gym

organization. He is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt and really someone that has dramatically influenced my

thinking in the whole Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu scene and far beyond that as we will talk

about a bit today. Our other guest is Peter Bogozian. Peter is an assistant professor of philosophy at

Portland State University. Guys, thank you so much for coming on the show today.

Thanks, Rob. I'm very happy to be here. Thanks, Rob. So we're going to talk about a lot of topics today, but I'd like to focus on a paper that Peter you co-authored and I believe was inspired not insignificantly by Matt's work. The title is Critical Thinking,

Pedagogy and Jiu-Jitsu wedding physical resistance to critical thinking.

That's a big mouthful and there's a lot of stuff I'd like to unpack just in the title of that but

before we get into that I have a tendency of doing very paltry introductions and

background bios I'd like both of you guys to maybe dig it a bit more into your

background. Matt, let's go ahead and start with you. Sure, I lifelong

martial artists obsessed with martial arts, got involved in jicudo concepts when I left the military back in the late very late 80s because the idea that Bruce Lee had of Stand Up Clinch and Grounder,

as they put it back in four ranges,

and being able to fight at all the different ranges made sense to me.

I was boxing at the time, and I knew I needed to be able to fight on the ground as an example from some fights I've been.

I moved up to Portland because of a job I had started teaching up here, was boxing at a boxing gym up here, and by

happenstance I met Fabio Santos who was one of Holz Gracies and Hickson's first black belts and he was just up here

Building boats and surfboards and things he wasn't teaching and he

had put an ad in the newspaper as is pre-internet asking for people to come and

he would pay if he would come and try to beat him up and and my buddy and I were both boxing at the boxing gym

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