I'm going to go and Thank you.

This is Rob Wolf with the payload solution podcast.

I am incredibly excited today.

We're doing a little departure from our usual schedule of protein carbs, fat, exercise, sleep,

rinse, lather, repeat, actually get to talk to somebody who's been essentially a hero of mine for a long time

Professor Barbara Oakley, Professor of Engineering at Oakland University. Doc how are you

doing? Hey I'm doing just great Rob actually I want to return the compliments because I found

your work to be just marvelously helpful for me because I have autoimmune

disorder I've got rheumatoid arthritis and so I think your approaches have been incredibly helpful for me.

Oh wow I had no idea. Thank you so I was going to I was going to say hopefully you liking my material doesn't undermine your credibility but thank you that that's a huge honor that is the most gratifying part of the work that I do is if I find out that somebody has been positively influenced by

all this. My wife's mother died due to RA complications about three months before I

met my wife and I've, gosh, you know, we have probably

three, four thousand emails now of people sending in medical documentation that like my antinuclear antibodies were this before

eating autoimmune paleo and now they're basically in the normal range afterwards and I'm largely

asymptomatic if I take care of myself and so it's you know it's something that just drives me

forward because there are so many people out there that I you know the greasy used

car salesman pitch give it a shot for 30 days, see what happens, and I guess you've

tinkered with it and clearly found some success with this.

I've really found success.

And here's the funny thing.

I know that in reading your book one of the things you talked about was how difficult it is to get people to understand that there are problems in some of the approaches that have been promoted by well-meaning

individuals in the government and by well-meaning scientists and so forth.

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