Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of I Heart Radio.

Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name is Robert Lamont.

Today, I'd like to present an interview I recorded earlier this month with Sir Ian Livingstone,

co-founder of Games Workshop and co-author of the Fighting Fantasy Gamebook series.

Now, the creations to come out of Games Workshop especially have meant so much to me over the years.

And it was a real honor to chat with him about the early days of Games Workshop,

about old school gaming and general, the meaning of games, and of course his new book,

Dice Men, the origin story of Games Workshop, which he wrote with Steve Jackson.

The book is out now digitally in the physical version, is either out or available for pre-order,

depending on what region you're in. Either way you get it, pick it up, it's a great read.

It has so many wonderful images in it, it really transports you back in time.

It tells a great tale. So without further ado, let's jump right into the interview.

Hi, Ian. Thanks for joining us. It's great to speak to you today.

So the book is Dice Men, the origin story of Games Workshop, written with Steve Jackson.

And I think at this point, a great number of our listeners out there are certainly well acquainted

with the name Games Workshop. Even if you didn't grow up with the games and the miniatures,

like I did and like many others did, you're still going to probably be aware of all the novels,

the video games, the animated series, and so much more. It's a big business.

But I thought you might take us back and just in brief, remind us what Games Workshop was back in the day

when you and Steve Jackson co-founded it.

Well, Steve and I were old school friends and we met up in London in the 70s

and our passion was playing board games. Mainly those that came from the US,

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