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Hey all, Joe here, and you are listening to Under the Influence. We talk a lot about influence on this podcast, and usually it relates to social media,

because that is where we get probably 80%, maybe, probably more.

Let's be honest, probably more.

But a lot of our information and our influence these days.

But I'm always so curious about the roots of influence.

Who were influencers before the influencers that we talk about today?

Jane Birkin has long been described as the original It Girl.

And long before Instagram influencers were selling us on bangs and basket bags,

Birkin had turned her messy hair, oversized sweaters, and nonchalant charm into a global aesthetic.

Jane was cool before being cool was an actual commodity. In fact, she may be the person

who turned cool into a commodity. My guest today is journalist and author Marissa Meltzer,

who has just written the definitive

biography of Birken.

It's called It Girl, the life and legacy of Jane Birkin, and in it she peels back the layers

of myth to reveal a woman who was as fragile as she was magnetic, as self-doubting as she

was stylish, and whose influence still shapes how we think about beauty,

celebrity, and even what it means to age in public.

Maris and I are going to get into why Berkin's Geneseecois still resonates,

what it cost her to be amuse and what she gained from it,

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