We tend to try to make fun of how people get their information.

And right now, people get their information in the most base and stupid ways possible.

Like, we're all competing with people who seem to, like, drink paid for a living.

Hi, everyone from New York Magazine and the Box Media Podcast Network. This is on with Carous Swisher, and I'm Caroswisher. Today, my guest is Ben Collins, the CEO of The Onion. Ben started

his career in journalism. He covered disinformation up until 2024. That's right.

The former reporter who covered fake news is now leading a website. That's whole brand is fake news,

but in the best kind of way. Since then, Ben has helped The Onion relaunch its print edition and

grow its circulation to tens of thousands of people. He brought back the Onion News Network on

YouTube. He kicked off a bid to take over Alex Jones's Info Wars. And. He brought back the Onion News Network on YouTube. He kicked off

a bid to take over Alex Jones's Info Wars. And late last year, the Onion also released a mockumentary

about Jeffrey Epstein called Bad Pedophile. The Onion's success has been a bright spot in an

otherwise bleak period for the media industry. And actually it's very common. There's a lot of

these really interesting entrepreneurial efforts that are doing really well.

I think it's really important to have successes like The Onion, especially satirical,

when reality feels more absurd than satire.

And it's just really fun.

You know, most of you experienced it online in social media, but I got to tell you,

I was a big reader of Mad Magazine, of Crack Magazine,

National Lampoon as a kid, and it's in that genre, and they really skewer powerful people in

just the right way, and it makes me laugh out loud. All right, let's get to my conversation with

Ben Collins. Our expert question comes from actor and screenwriter, Justin Thoreau, who's a good friend

of mine. This is a serious conversation, who's a good friend of mine.

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