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Ian Milheiser, welcome to the show.

It's good to be here. Thank you so much.

Good to finally get you in. Just as a little bit of an introduction, Ian is a senior correspondent

here at Vox. He's been covering the Supreme Court, the Constitution, since 2019, I guess.

Basically, Ann is our resident lawyer covering the democracy is collapsing beat,

and is the author of a new piece about what I think is a surprising pattern at the Supreme Court for all of its

aggressiveness in a ton of areas, some of which we will get into. The court seems unusually

cautious when it comes to regulating the internet. So given the stakes of the internet, I thought

now would be a great time to get you on the show to break it down for us. How's that? That sounds great. All right. Let's do it. Okay, so this court,

clearly, even if you're not a lawyer, even if this is not your beat, you are aware that this is a

court that is comfortable shaking things up when they're feeling you know, when they're feeling the Holy Spirit,

as it were. But they do seem unusually wary of doing too much damage to the Internet.

Let's just start with a quote from Justice Kagan, which is in your piece.

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