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My guest on political thinking this week is the Culture Secretary, whose time in office

has been dominated by ordering cultural institutions to close the backroom boy who now finds

himself in the front line of what some call the war on woke, the remainder and one nation

Tory who's now seen as one of the ministers Boris Johnson, trust most.

My guest this week is Oliver Dowden, welcome to Political Thinking.

Thank you.

For anyone who gets your job, they would not be humid if the first thing they didn't

do was think, well, tickets can I get?

What sporting event, what cultural event, what theatre or music or are.

Do you remember that then when everything was open, thinking what you fancied going to?

Yes, I do actually.

I also remember thinking when I started, well, I won't do those things straight away.

There's more important things to get on with and we'll do that a bit later.

Little was I to know that the world was about to change.

I would say that it has the reputation of being the Ministry of Fund.

That is a bit, sorry, certainly hasn't been fun in that sense in the past year, but also

it is important, a part of the really important part of our economy now.

The digital economy sits within my brief as an extra D now in DCMS digital culture, media

and sports, and we're responsible for some of the fast-discroing industries in the

countries that occupies a lot of my time as well.

Which makes it interesting, but just for the fun of it, what sort of things did you

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