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The Oleksandra Matviichuk Interview

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Gaslit Nation

Trump, Politics, Left, Democracy, Resistance, News, Society & Culture, Progressive, Liberal, Kendzior, Chalupa, Resist

4.84K Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

In this high-stakes episode, Andrea is joined by Nobel Peace Prize laureate Oleksandra Matviichuk as Putin openly claims alignment with the U.S., and Europe is being forced to, whether it likes it or not, hold the line. 

Matviichuk, leader of the human rights organization Center for Civil Liberties, which was awarded the 2022 Nobel Peace Prize, lays out why the war in Ukraine is not a regional dispute or a diplomatic inconvenience, but a direct clash between civilization vs. a fascist crime spree, one that will determine the future balance of power for Europe and the world. She dismantles the dangerous fiction that Ukraine is a charity case or a drain on European stability. As she makes clear: "Ukraine is not a beneficiary of European security. Ukraine is a provider of European security."

Our conversation exposes Russia's war crime playbook, including the mass kidnapping and forced assimilation of Ukrainian children, brainwashing them into soldiers for Putin's meatgrinder. As Matviichuk puts it: "Every person who wants to shake Putin's hand must acknowledge that they are shaking hands with the biggest child kidnapper in the world."

This episode is a five-alarm fire. Europe has the money, the industry, the frozen Russian assets, and the historical memory to stop another Iron Curtain, but only if it abandons wishful thinking and acts. Occupation is not peace, and delay is not diplomacy. Pretending like this will somehow blow over is how democracies fail.

Next week legal scholar Madiba Dennie, author of The Originalism Trap, joins Gaslit Nation to break down how the MAGA Supreme Court emerged from a fringe movement of Lee Atwater's Southern Strategy, and how we can have an all new Supreme Court, with the help of the power of impeachment. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Gaslit Nation, a show about corruption in America and rising autocracy worldwide.

0:16.8

I am your host, Andrea Chalupa, a journalist, filmmaker, and the writer and producer of Mr. Jones,

0:22.7

the journalistic thriller about Stalin's genocide famine in Ukraine, starring James Norton, Vanessa Kirby, and Peter Sarsgaard.

0:30.2

It's the film The Kremlin does not want you to see, so be sure to watch it.

0:34.4

The history, Russia once erased, is alive today.

0:40.3

That's why the Mr. Jones graphic novel in the shadow of Stalin makes the perfect holiday gift for your local school or library. Because

0:45.9

understanding Ukraine's long resistance to Russian genocidal imperialism explains exactly why this

0:53.3

fight matters now. Check out the show notes for where to pick up your

0:57.3

copy of In the Shadow of Stalin. The future of Ukraine depends on Europe. I know that is a terrifying

1:04.8

thought given the centuries of infighting that have plagued the continent, but Europe has to get it

1:10.7

together, unite and fight,

1:13.1

or Ukraine and the free world will fall to Russian terrorism, a threat that is growing.

1:20.0

Think of it like the climate crisis of geopolitics. We can't ignore it with wishful thinking

1:25.3

and hope it goes away.

1:33.7

While Putin has come out and said that the U.S. and Russia are now aligned on Ukraine,

1:41.1

Europe, by contrast, has the economic weight, industrial capacity, frozen Russian assets, and growing defense production needed to help Ukraine fight, stabilize its

1:47.3

economy, and steadily weaken Russia. If Europe sustains military, financial, and political

1:54.9

support through the war and the decade after, Ukraine can emerge secure, sovereign, and integrated into a free Europe.

2:07.4

That is the dream of pro-democracy protesters, what they risked their lives for in Ukraine's

2:13.9

Euro-Maidon revolution of dignity. If Europe does not unite and fight for Ukraine,

2:20.1

if Russia, for instance, manages to help elect their allies with disinformation, social media

2:26.5

campaigns and so on. Because remember, President Macron in France, he can't run again.

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