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Welcome to the consult. I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler, and I'm joined by my

colleagues, Angela Serser, Susan Costler Drew, and Bob Drew, who are also retired FBI profilers. Hello, everyone. Hello. Today we're

beginning our discussion of the 1972 double homicide of 19-year-old Shirley Elizabeth Witten

and 26-year-old Roger Dale Higgins, also known as the Oak Grove Cemetery Murders. And I'd like to

thank Jenny Decker, and she's the host of the True Crime podcast Down and Away for bringing

this case to our attention. Jenny covered this case on her show. And in doing her research, she came across the

old FBI profile that was done on this case, which was very interesting to read. And Jenny had told me

that it didn't really seem right to her. And she asked if we'd take a look and possibly cover the case on the consult.

So Jenny was gracious enough to share all of her research materials with us and all of the

case materials that she had and really appreciate her and we're going to be using a lot of

the stuff that she provided

us as resources for this case.

Generally, in the BAU, we don't tend to go back and redo profiles after they've already been

done.

But in cases like this, when the profile was done so long ago, and with the developments in the

field of behavioral analysis, we often will take another look at a case and maybe do an updated

profile. And we did do that, such as in the case of the East Area Rapist, original Nightstocker,

aka the Golden State Killer, there had been other profiles done in the past, but they were so old, some of them dating

back to the 1980s that we did a whole new one with the unit at the time.

So it was updated.

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