Hey, everybody. It's Tim Miller from the Bull War. Happy Thanksgiving. We've got, it's Thanksgiving. So we're going to do a little football in politics content. And I've got Seth Wickersham of ESPN with me. He's got a new book out called American Kings, a biography of the quarterback. We're going to get into that. There's some quarterback politics overlap, believe it or not. And Seth, I appreciate you doing it. This is kind of a No Kings podcast. We're going to do American King's book for you. I love it. And like, yeah, it's been an interesting time to have a book with that title. It's been an interesting year to have it. But, you know, fortunately everything's turned out okay. Well, for the book.

Yes.

We'll see how things turn out for the rest of us.

So I want to get into the book, but first we'll just do a little bit of, you know, football and politics and where these things intersect.

I guess just first, like what's what's it like for you being a foot that's you always got to be working on Thanksgiving. Like do you are you just like away from family?

Yeah it's you know not every year but it's a lot of that. I think that like one of the most

interesting kind of turns that football has taken especially the past 10 years or so but even

moving more on you know is is, you know, to own holidays.

And so that leads long days for a lot of people who, you know, end up covering things that are directly tied to the games or even adjacent to the games.

But, you know, that's okay. That's just kind of how it goes, but it's been an interesting

twist. What used to be reserved for like the NBA and other, you know, the NBA All-Star

game, like the NFL is just moving into those territories pretty ambitiously and ruthlessly.

Where are you at on this question of like, you know, mixing the politics and football and

turkey and all together and jumbling it all up.

Is that just like part of American life now?

Because that's another thing that I feel like has gone on hyperdrive lately versus the old days.

I mean, I think it's all mixed.

I think that like, you know, when people, you know, tiptoe around politics, you know, that's exactly what they're doing is they're tiptoeing around it.

And it's always easy to step on it if you want to.

You know, it's been an interesting time.

I mean, I think that like, you know, my job is to write profiles about interesting people and investigate the NFL about certain topics and issues.

And, you know, at times, you know, politics,

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