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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

The Next Pandemic

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 21 December 2022

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

COVID tested world health systems to near-destruction and killed more than 6.6 million people. Now new infectious diseases are emerging and the antibiotics we depend on no longer work the way they used to. Arthur Snell meets doctors, epidemiologists, evolutionary biologists and veterans of the Coronavirus battles to discover the mounting threat of new zoonotic diseases which leap from animal to human, how COVID conspiracism is undermining our efforts against future pandemics… and how ill-prepared we are to deal with them, Support Doomsday Watch on Patreon and get every episode a week early and ad-free, plus much more: www.doomsdaywatch.co.uk “We could be looking at the end of modern medicine as we know it.” – Arthur Snell “New pathogens are in an arms race with humans… We were stunned at how fast COVID was able to evolve against our defences.” – Prof Ravi Gupta “Some experts worry that COVID wasn’t the worst-case scenario. The next pandemic could be much more deadly.” – Laura Spinney “It won’t take many mutations to turn bird flu into a human-to-human disease… And then you’ve got a whole new pandemic.” – Prof Christina Pagel “An ordinary trip to hospital could become a high risk journey across a minefield of superbugs.” – Arthur Snell Photograph: Getty Images Written and presented by Arthur Snell. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Assistant producer: Jacob Archbold. Original music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com . Group Editor Andrew Harrison. Doomsday Watch is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

caution. The ultimate spicy meatball from Dominoes is hot. Just not stupid hot. It won't earn you

0:05.4

mythical status or get you a nickname like Mad Dog or Dragon's Breath. It's hot. Good hot.

0:10.8

The kind of hot that boosts taste nothing else. The ultimate spicy meatball with Siracha

0:15.2

Drizzle from Dominoes, it will get you fired up. Subject to availability.

0:21.3

Oh, is that a pumpkin spice latte? No, it's the pumpkin spice latte.

0:26.0

Starbucks. Obviously. You know, I once got so obsessed with pumpkin spice. I only

0:30.0

wore orange for a month. Oh, that's nothing. I once got so obsessed I got a pumpkin

0:34.3

shame into my hair. Oh, yeah? Well, last year I cured outside Starbucks for a week,

0:38.1

and my tent was a shape of a pumpkin. Well, I'm changing my name to pumpkin spicy.

0:44.8

The Starbucks original is back. Go all out pumpkin spice. Subject to availability while stocks last.

0:51.2

Hello, it's Arthur here. I'm sure if you've listened to this podcast before,

0:56.0

you'll have realised that we're not always offering the most optimistic take on world affairs.

1:01.6

And in this series, I've shared warnings of a modern day battle on the high seas,

1:06.4

the threat of aggressive imperialist leaders, a terrifying new arms race as weapons tech gets

1:12.4

automated. These are all big existential threats that we as individuals can't do much about.

1:20.1

But one thing I've never particularly worried about myself is my own health. It feels as if

1:25.6

that's something that I can mostly take personal control of. And then, the other day,

1:32.2

I was talking to a friend of mine, Professor Christina Pargol. Christina was a prominent member of

1:38.3

the independent sage group set up during the COVID-19 pandemic. It was there to provide a public

1:44.8

discourse on the science behind public health decision making. We were talking about what new

1:50.8

health threats might be on the horizon. On terms of what's coming,

1:57.5

well, actually, I went on to this website yesterday called Gavi, which is the Global Alliance for

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