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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Season finale: Will Ukraine save the world?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 28 December 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has reshaped the world, but not the way Putin wanted. With little to show for its 100,000 dead, Russia is exposed as weak and militarily inadequate. Now Russian interference in Western democracy and dirty oligarch money are under greater scrutiny than ever before. With Western democracies shocked into unity, does the Ukraine War provide an opportunity to make a new, more secure free world? In our season finale, Arthur Snell looks forward to a world after Ukraine and asks: How does Putin fall? How would a wounded Russian psyche react? Will the Russian Federation itself survive? And could we be at the beginning of a new and better era? Doomsday Watch will be back with a new series soon. Support us on Patreon and help us build our next season: www.doomsdaywatch.co.uk “Despite the war Ukrainians are fiercely optimistic… Everyone constantly talks about the future.” – Romeo Kokriatski “Europe has not really stepped up and 2023 needs to be the year it plays more of a leading role in repairing Ukraine.” – Jeremy Cliffe “Ukraine is helping to cure us of an addiction to dirty Russian money.” – Arthur Snell “The outcome of this war will determine the future of liberal democracies.” – Olga Tokariuk “The humiliation that came with the fall of the Soviet Union left a huge wound that was very useable for Putin and the people around him.” – Jade McGlynn Photograph: Getty Images Written and presented by Arthur Snell. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Assistant producer: Jacob Archbold. Original music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com . Group Editor Andrew Harrison. Doomsday Watch is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Doomsday Watch. I'm Arthur Stahl. We've reached the end of this third season and thank you for sharing the journey with me.

0:11.0

Together we've been through drone wars, climate crisis in the Sahel and the Arctic, not to mention the conflicts in the Middle East and political chaos in America.

0:21.0

But from the first episode to this last, everything has been happening in the shadow of the war in Ukraine.

0:30.0

In episode one, we spoke about a world collapsing into chaos, and we heard from Ukrainian journalist Romeo Cockriatsky about the lived experience of war.

0:41.0

Here's Romeo describing the moment he decided to leave his Kyiv home.

0:47.0

Things change once you actually hear the booms of air defense systems.

0:53.0

At the time, there was no way to tell how effective the Russian siege of Kyiv was going to be.

1:01.0

So after kind of two days of hearing these far off explosions and they weren't even that far off, they were a couple of dozen kilometers north of us at best.

1:15.0

We just packed up all the stuff that we were going to take and then boarded literally the first train going west.

1:23.0

We didn't care where exactly it went. The station was actually shaking because the explosions had gotten close enough.

1:31.0

We didn't look at a schedule or care about what train was going where we just need to get as far away from Kyiv as possible.

1:45.0

What this year has taught us above all is that Ukrainian people will not be defeated.

2:14.0

Despite even the war, Ukrainians are pretty fiercely optimistic about the future.

2:20.0

Everyone constantly talks about their plans. Whatever it is, people believe in a future I think maybe for the first time in decades.

2:33.0

Like Romeo, we also want to look to the future with hope.

2:38.0

What does this mean for Ukraine, for Russia and for Europe?

2:43.0

As we ask how, after Ukraine, we can remake the world.

2:50.0

You know, knowing that I'm not alone, bringing people, fighting so hard, if we're ready to survive, if we're ready to have a ride to exist as an independent free democratic state,

3:02.0

that's what just gives you strength and strength.

3:06.0

I'm Arthur Snap. I was a diplomat in some of the most troubled places on planet Earth,

3:11.0

and now I'm here to investigate the threats of today and warn you about the dangers of tomorrow.

3:17.0

This is Doomsday Watch.

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