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Greetings, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media.

Extremely excited for today's guest.

Technically, we should have probably figured out a way to get her

into a counter programming month, but so be it. Claire Lehman is the founder of Quillette,

which is a fantastic publication, very dispatching and some of its priors, but it beat us to the

punch in existence, so we have to give credit we're due. They also have a podcast that goes by the same

name. We'll put all that in the show notes. And of course, to the excitement of, to the legions,

Claire is now a contributor to the dispatch, which we are extremely excited about. And because she's

in Australia, it's true that people do actually live there.

It's not made up. It's not fake news. This was extremely difficult to get on the book. So I'm

talking to her. She's lovely, talented, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and I am this giant

unmade bed of a man at the end of a very long day. And so desperate was I to speak to Claire

that I agreed to postpone cocktail hour so I could do this. So it's 630 here and it's like

February in Australia in the morning. Claire, welcome to the remnant. Thanks for having me, Jonah.

It's of absolute pleasure. Okay, so I was just rereading your great piece from a couple weeks ago for us about Zora Mondami and the possibility that wokeness is not so much over as mutating.

I am sympathetic, but I have some quibbles.

But let's, why don't we, why don't you make your case first, and then we can take it from there?

Yeah, well, I made an argument that was similar to another article I wrote for you guys about women radicalizing.

So young, educated women radicalizing.

And in that article, I wrote that there's a cultural,

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