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The New Way Of The Superior Man - David Deida (1st interview in a decade) - #1101

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2026

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

David Deida is a spiritual teacher, researcher, speaker, and author. What happens when desire and ambition fade? As we age, the urgency and purpose that once defined us can begin to shift. But when that shift leaves us feeling empty, how do we understand it, and how do we build meaning again when the old sources no longer drive us? Expect to learn what a Man of Zero is, if the man of zero is the next stage of the superior man, what happens to ambition and motivation as a man ages, why talking about intimacy is hard for men, what the core of someone's masculine essence is, if masculinity is built by avoiding emptiness, and much more… Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠⁠ Get 10% discount on all Gymshark products at https://gym.sh/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM10) Get 160+ lab tests for just $365 and save an extra $25 at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get 15% off your first order of my favourite Non-Alcoholic Brew at https://athleticbrewing.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠https://chatgpt.com Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (0:21) What Is a “Man of Zero”? (5:48) The Signs You’re Becoming a “Man of Zero” (11:49) Why Success Starts to Feel Empty (13:33) Does Achievement Lead to Being a “Man of Zero”? (17:49) The Psychological Experience of Hitting Zero (19:34) How to Make Peace With Hitting Zero (25:11) Does Effectiveness Decline Over Time? (29:20) Is Self-Improvement Delaying Your Freedom? (30:30) How Sex Changes At Zero (39:13) Why Do Men Struggle to Talk About Intimacy? (43:14) The Best Ways to Move From Sex to Real Intimacy (50:47) What Comes After Hitting Zero? (57:57) How to Tell If Someone Is Truly Integrated (58:58) The Role of Discipline After Purpose (01:01:26) How Culture Around Men Has Shifted (01:03:32) What’s David’s End Goal? (01:07:51) How to Stay Fulfilled Long-Term (01:19:37) The Top Practices to Maximise Your Development Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠⁠ Email: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's happening people. Before we get into the episode, I wanted to give you a disclaimer. David didn't show his face when we were recording. David's a pretty esoteric guy, decided that he's going to retreat from the world. He's living in a house in the middle of nowhere, in Florida, I think. And even though it might have been nice to have seen his face, it's completely on brand. So we've tried to make it as engaging as possible. I hope you enjoy the episode.

0:21.6

What is a man of zero?

0:24.6

Well, to me, a man of zero is somebody who has come to the point in their life where their motivation has evaporated or isn't there. They feel they still may be very active.

0:41.3

They may be married, they may have children, they may have businesses,

0:45.3

they might be creative, but under it all, there's just a feeling like

0:51.3

why am I doing this and part of me would rather not do anything kind of feeling.

0:58.5

And I noticed a lot of men feeling that I was interacting with over the years.

1:04.6

And so I wanted to address that.

1:08.0

Is this the next stage after the Superior Man? Is this a spiritual sequel to the way of the

1:15.5

superior man? It's a kind of sequel, but it's not necessarily a stage progression. So,

1:23.7

somebody might go into the phase, I'll use the word phase, of a man of zero,

1:29.3

and then after a month, a year, a decade, whatever, they may come back to being the superior man.

1:37.3

To me, what a superior man is is a man who is motivated by a deep sense of purpose,

1:43.3

and that sense of purpose might be to discover their purpose,

1:47.0

but they're motivated by a sense of purpose often to serve the world

1:52.0

or to give their gift or to make things right.

1:57.0

And when that evaporates or when they no longer feel that,

2:02.8

that's the beginning of the phase of the Man of Zero.

2:06.5

Now, it may last a very short time, may last a long time, the Man of Zero phase,

2:11.2

so they may eventually go back to, oh, a new purpose.

2:15.7

For instance, for myself, this book emerged out of nowhere as a kind of,

2:20.3

oh, I should write this book, I need to write this book.

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