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The new nuclear renaissance - real or rhetoric? | Special pre-ADIPEC preview episode

Energy Gang

Wood Mackenzie

Tech News, Environment, Sustainability, Innovation, Renewable Energy, Technology, Alternative Energy, Energy, News, Cleantech, Wind Energy, Business, Climate Change, Solar Energy

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Nuclear power is back at the centre of the global energy conversation again. Is a real renaissance in the industry under way? Or are we just in another moment of excitement before familiar challenges emerge and the hype cycle turns down again?

In the second of three special episodes ahead of ADIPEC 2025, host Ed Crooks speaks with Dr Sama Bilbao y León, Director General of the World Nuclear Association, about how the role of nuclear power in a world of turbocharged electricity demand growth and continuing pressure to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

Sama explains how nuclear power has shifted from an afterthought at climate summits to a cornerstone of countries’ decarbonisation strategies. COP28 in Dubai in 2023 marked a turning point, she says. 199 countries formally recognised nuclear power as essential to meeting their climate goals, and 31 of them committed to triple nuclear generation capacity by 2050. Investment is accelerating, with new projects breaking ground across Asia, the Middle East, and Eastern Europe. And where new developments are slow, countries are embracing lower-cost options, including extending plant lifetimes and restarting previously retired reactors.

The discussion explores the growing influence of AI and data centres, which give new relevance to nuclear because of their round-the-clock need for electricity. AI is part of a new alignment of conditions that mean that this time the momentum behind nuclear power is real, Sama argues. Financing is available, governments are pragmatic, and the tech giants are now among the most vocal advocates for 24/7 clean baseload power.

Sama and Ed also unpack the rise of small modular reactors (SMRs). Factory-built to a larger degree, repeatable, and scalable, SMRs could open new opportunities for industrial clusters, remote regions, and energy-hungry digital infrastructure. They may not be the answer to all the challenges the nuclear industry faces, but they should definitely have a role to play. However, Sama warns that probably only a handful of designs will survive the early shake-out that will be needed to streamline the SMR industry. 

Finally, the conversation turns to policy and politics. In a more polarised world, nuclear is emerging as rare common ground, backed by governments seeking climate progress, energy security, and economic competitiveness. Sama calls for a balanced system that values integration over ideology: renewables, nuclear, and smarter grids working in tandem.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the energy gang, a discussion show from Wood McKenzie about the fast-changing

0:09.0

world of energy. I'm it crooks, and this is the second in a short series of special episodes

0:14.0

looking ahead to the Adipek Energy Conference in November. And in this show, we're going to be

0:18.3

talking about nuclear power. There is huge

0:21.2

excitement over nuclear at the moment. Everyone is talking again about a nuclear renaissance. In fact,

0:26.0

I saw someone the other day calling it the last nuclear renaissance. We might want to talk a bit later

0:30.2

on about why that is. Of course, the reason for the excitement is very familiar. The turbocharged

0:35.0

progress of AI is creating expectations of a surge in demand for electricity. And if we want to meet that demand with low emissions, there aren't all that many options available. And nuclear power surely has to be one of them. So, to talk about the prospects for nuclear power and whether it can play a big role in meeting the challenge of rising demand growth, I'm joined by Dr. Samar Bilbao I Leon,

0:57.9

who's the Director General of the World Nuclear Association. Hello, Samar. Welcome back to the energy gang. Great to see you again. Hello, Ed. It's lovely to see you again. It's been a while,

1:02.7

but I'm glad to be back here. Yes. Adipek 2025, the world's largest energy event,

1:08.8

returns to Abu Dhabi this November under the theme

1:11.4

Energy Intelligence Impact. More than 1,800 speakers and 205,000 attendees come together

1:18.4

to address a dual imperative, strengthening today's energy systems and scaling intelligent solutions.

1:24.2

Join us in Abu Dhabi from the 3rd to the 6th of November to explore how the convergence of energy, AI, investment and emerging economies is advancing global progress.

1:33.6

Register now at adipec.com. Yeah, exactly. It was a couple of years ago, wasn't it? I think we last spoke during COP 28 in Dubai back in 2023.

1:43.9

Feels like quite a bit has changed since then. Is the world very different? I mean, in particular, I think I don't know that we talked about AI at all during that last conversation we have. And now, of course, it's everything that everybody wants to talk about at the moment. But, I mean, how do you see it? As I say, how is the world different now from when you're last on the energy gang?

2:03.6

Well, you know, I think that COP 28 in Dubai was really a turning point, if I may say, for nuclear energy.

2:12.6

I mean, this was the first time ever.

2:14.6

We had a hundred and ninety-nine countries that are signatories of the

2:19.5

Paris Agreement that included nuclear energy as one of the tools that are going to be

2:28.0

essential to meet climate goals. This has never happened before. I mean, we did discuss this

2:32.8

briefly, but it's changes like it's not only countries.

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