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Energy Gang

Permitting reform and the politics of building the grid | Live from the ACORE Grid Forum in Washington, D.C.

Energy Gang

Wood Mackenzie

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4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 October 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Everyone agrees it takes too long and costs too much to build energy infrastructure in America, but what exactly needs fixing, and can we make progress without rolling back vital environmental protections?

In this special episode of Energy Gang, recorded live at the ACORE Grid Forum in Washington D.C., host Ed Crooks takes a deep dive into one of the most complex and consequential issues in US energy policy: permitting reform. Ed begins the episode in conversation with Matt Christiansen, partner at Wilson Sonsini and former General Counsel at the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC). Drawing on his experience inside the commission, Matt explains where the real choke points lie in the permitting process, how federal and state powers intersect, and what the newly confirmed FERC commissioners could do to accelerate much-needed grid investment.

Later, Ed sits down with three experts who work daily on these challenges in Congress and the private sector: Elizabeth Horner, partner at ArentFox Schiff and former counsel to Senators Shelley Moore Capito and John Barrasso; Daniel Palken, Director of Infrastructure for Energy and Permitting at Arnold Ventures; and Jeremy Horan, Permitting Lead at ACORE. Together, they unpack the politics behind reform, the relationship between permitting and transmission planning, and the growing urgency created by surging power demand from data centers and new manufacturing.

The group also discusses the mood in Washington, and hopes that bipartisan momentum can be built to support pragmatic, economy-wide permitting reform.

This episode is the first of two recorded live at the ACORE Grid Forum, where industry leaders, regulators, and policymakers came together to discuss the future of America’s electricity system.

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0:00.0

If we're talking about the race for AI in these kind of advanced manufacturing, the commanding heights of the 21st century economy, we are losing sorely in the race to bring on new electrical capacity, and it's something we need to address.

0:12.0

Where do we want to end up on permitting and where do we want to end up on transmission?

0:16.0

That first principle, I think we've seen fits and starts.

0:20.0

Now that all generation sources are being impacted, we're starting to realize the problem is the same for everyone.

0:26.5

I don't think states inherently want to stand in the way of transmission facilities.

0:30.8

I mean, we have built a lot of line miles of transmission over the last couple decades, maybe less than I think we need, but still a substantial number.

0:37.5

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1:20.6

Hello and welcome to The Energy Gang, a discussion show from Wood McKenzie about the fast-changing world of energy.

1:21.7

I'm Ed Crooks.

1:22.9

And today we're coming to you from the A-Core Grid Forum in Washington, D.C.

1:27.2

This has a gathering of some of the

1:28.4

biggest names in the US electricity industry and policy and regulation to talk about the challenges

1:32.9

facing the grid and some of the possible solutions. Now, one of the hottest topics here has

1:38.2

been one of the thornyest issues in US energy policy, which is permitting reform. There is widespread

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