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The Mona Charen Show

The New McCarthyism Comes from the Top (w/ Nico Perrino)

The Mona Charen Show

The Bulwark

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

This week on the Mona Charen Show, Mona is joined by Nico Perrino, Executive Vice President of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), for a crucial conversation about the unprecedented assault on the First Amendment under the Trump 2.0 administration.

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0:00.0

Nice network you've got there to be a shame of something where to happen to it.

0:04.3

You know, that's that's the phrase that we used to use to kind of be emblematic or to characterize how these government officials were acting.

0:13.8

They didn't actually use those words.

0:15.2

That would be too absurd.

0:16.4

But in this case, Brendan Carr literally said we can do this the easy way or the hard way.

0:21.1

Yeah, there you go.

0:21.9

It was unbelievable.

0:22.9

It's not saying the quiet part out loud.

0:25.2

It's my boss talk.

0:26.7

It's just amazing.

0:32.0

Welcome to the Mona Charrin Show.

0:34.1

So glad you could join us today.

0:36.7

I am delighted to welcome Nico Perino of the Foundation for

0:42.2

Individual Rights and Expression. Nico, thank you so much for joining me. I know I dragged you

0:48.7

away from book writing and I know what that feels like, especially when there's a deadline looming. So, especially

0:55.8

thankful that you were willing to come and join me today. Well, it is the end of the day. And at the

1:01.4

end of the day, six hours into writing, I think I'm ready to do something different. So happy to be

1:06.0

here. Oh, I'm so glad. Yeah. They're diminishing returns.

1:10.4

Sure. They sure are.

1:11.4

The reason I wanted to speak with you today is because I think we're facing a kind of

1:16.8

unprecedented assault on the First Amendment.

1:20.5

You're an expert on this topic, and so I would welcome your insights.

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