There is a change in values, shift in emphasis from individual rights to collective rights,

and overemphasis in my view on safety and demands by people on their governments to keep them safe,

to make it impossible for others to hurt your feelings, feeling hurt is literal violence.

My career is the whole thing.

Today sit down with Ramish Thacker, former United Nations Assistant Secretary General,

and Professor Emeritus of Public Policy at the Australian National University.

Now he's a Brownstone Institute Senior Scholar.

It was a secularist to question it, it was heresy to question it,

and the new priesthood in forcing this heresy was the public health board.

How do we rebuild what was broken?

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Janie Kellink.

Ramish Thacker, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

It's a pleasure to be here.

Let's start with this, of course, he wrote the book, Our Enemy the Government,

provocatively titled,

one of the things that you said, which really caught my attention,

is you felt like 10%, I don't know if it was doctors or medical professionals,

rejected what seemed to be obviously wrong directives, coming from on high,

that the whole kind of structure of compliance would have collapsed.

And I don't know if I can accept that easily, but I want you to explain to me why you believe that.

Okay, so if we step back in time,

one of the features of current society is the rise of the professional associations

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