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Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

The Nazi Era: Episode 9: Margot Heuman

Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

Making Gay History

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🗓️ 20 March 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

German Jewish survivor Margot Heuman attributed her survival of the Nazi concentration camps to her friendship with another teenage girl. It wasn’t until the end of her life that she confided in lesbian historian Anna Hájková about the intimate nature of the friendship. Visit our episode webpage for additional resources, archival photos, and a transcript of the episode. For exclusive Making Gay History bonus content, join our Patreon community. ——— The interview with Margot Heuman is from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education, © 1994 USC Shoah Foundation. For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here. ——— To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Making Gay History Family. Eric here. Thank you to all of you who helped us match the recent $25,000 challenge grant we were lucky to be offered. We couldn't have done it without you. But we are scrambling. Like many organizations, we've been affected by the new administration. We recently lost a major grant from one of our funding partners

0:23.6

who've had to redirect their resources in response to the new regime.

0:27.6

So, while I've just finished asking you for financial support,

0:31.6

here I am asking again.

0:33.6

Any amount is appreciated, so we can keep bringing LGBTQ history to life through the voices of the people who lived it.

0:40.7

That's all the people who lived it.

0:44.5

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0:53.3

Thanks so much.

0:56.5

Magot was beautiful. She had a brilliant eye. She had a beautiful shape of face.

1:06.8

She had a very fashionable short haircut. And you can see it on her pictures that she was a very charismatic and very beautiful young girl, young woman, middle-aged woman,

1:20.6

but she was most beautiful in her 80s.

1:23.9

She looked very stunning in blues and she knew it, so she wore lots of blues.

1:29.3

And the first time I met her at the Tucson Airport, she was still fit enough to drive, so she came to pick me up.

1:35.3

And there she was.

1:37.3

Dr. Anna Haikovah first met German Jewish Holocaust survivor Margo Human, in 2018.

1:47.2

Dr. Heikova studies queer desire and the Holocaust.

1:53.8

She'd gone to Arizona to interview Margo about her experiences as a teenage girl in the Theresa Stott ghetto and the Nazi concentration camps.

1:57.4

Never did she understand herself as queer.

2:00.4

She was a great grandmother. She had her dog. She hated

2:04.1

Trump. She voted. She loved the Volvo car. She was no nonsense. She really needed to have the

2:13.0

encouragement that her full testimony is important, this welcome.

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