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Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

The Nazi Era: Episode 10: Kenneth Roman

Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive

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🗓️ 27 March 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Kenneth Roman was 15 when the Nazis rolled into his Polish hometown. After they liquidated the Jewish ghetto to which he and his family had been confined, he was sent to a series of forced labor camps and finally a concentration camp, where a sadistic block elder made him his “batman.” Visit our episode webpage for additional resources, archival photos, and a transcript of the episode. For exclusive Making Gay History bonus content, join our Patreon community. ——— The interview with Kenneth Roman is from the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation – The Institute for Visual History and Education, © 1998 USC Shoah Foundation. For more information about the USC Shoah Foundation, go here. ——— To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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who've had to redirect their resources in response to the new regime.

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here I am asking again.

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0:58.7

Do you remember your first sight of German soldiers? Of course I do very well. I was, I walked down

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the market square. I saw them coming up on these motorcycles and sidecars with a machine gun in front.

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And so we just stood on the pavement, watching them come in.

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It was a spectacle, that's all.

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Obviously it was my age, I mean it was all excitement.

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And since at the time they weren't beating or shooting anybody,

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it was not apparent, you know, what's going to happen. I'm Eric Marcus, and this is Making Gay History, the Nazi era.

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Kenneth Roman, originally Roman Katzbach, was born in 1924 in the southeastern Polish town of Gorlice.

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His mother died when he was a child, and he was sent to live with his maternal grandfather, a religious Jew.

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Ken's grandfather owned a successful soda factory, and Ken grew up in a large family mansion,

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surrounded by dozens of uncles, aunts, and cousins.

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He recalled his childhood as prosperous, cultured, and idyllic.

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Ken was 15 years old when the Germans occupied

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