There is this problematic, everything a child does can be put into this bucket of sin or not sin.

That dichotomy for everything that a parent might find difficult or annoying in the moment

sets parents up for a lot of difficulty in relationships with children.

It can appear to work.

What it does though is it does train families up, but in a way that down the road, as we surveyed and interviewed people, is really heartbreaking fruit.

Hello, friends.

Welcome back to another episode of the Aldera.

My guests today are Marissa

Bert and Kelsey McGuinness. Marissa has an MTAH from Columbia International University. She is a novelist,

editor of pastor's wife, and mother of six. She co-hosts the At Home with the Lectionary

podcast. And Kelsey is a musicologist, educator and correspondent for Christianity today, writing on worship practices and Christian the Christian subculture.

She's also an adjunct professor at Granview University in Des Moines, Iowa, and previously worked at the University of Iowa Center for Human Rights.

They just, Marissa and Kelsey just co-wrote this book, The Myth of Good Christian Parenting, How False

Promises, Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families. Oh, my goodness, this is a,

hmm, let's see, provocative book. It's one of those books, like, you kind of can't put down,

and I would highly, highly recommend reading it.

That's the topic of our conversation.

Looking at what they call the Christian parenting empire, beginning in the 70s, continuing

on through today.

So this was a very informative podcast conversation.

Oh, my goodness.

If you're a parent of especially younger kids

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