Part of my concern with the exile metaphor is to the degree that it teaches us that we are fundamentally separate.

And I worry that within evangelicalism right now, we still underlying have this idea that we can be in this like bubble from the rest of the world.

Like we are uninfluenced by or not responsible for or not indebted to the community, the culture, the nation

that we were born in, that our church exists in.

Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode Theology and Raw. This is the second

episode in our series of podcasts that

were shot at the Holy Post studio, just right smack dab in the middle of Wheaton, Illinois.

This conversation was a fun one. Caitlin is one of my favorite dialogue partners when it comes

to political theology. I mean, this is what she's doing when it comes to political theology.

I mean, this is what she's doing her PhD in political theology.

I dabble in it.

She's an expert in it.

And I just realized that her dissertation topic has to do with the concept of exile,

which is, I guess, kind of become a brand.

I mean, I wrote a book called Exiles.

I host the conference called The Exiles of Babylon.

And she is researching whether or not this concept is a good, accurate, healthy term to adopt to make sense of our place in the world. So I was a little nervous to talk

to her about it, but it actually ended up being a wonderful conversation. Challenging for sure,

but always informative. So please welcome back to the show, the one and only, Caitlin Chess.

I am here live, or at least in person, with Caitlin Chess, just outside of, just off the

campus of Wheaton College, is that right?

We are right there.

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