In the consult, we discuss cases that are sexually violent in nature.

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Welcome to the consult.

I'm Julia Cowley, retired FBI agent and profiler,

and I'm joined by my colleagues, Angela Serser, Susan Costler-Drew, and Bob Drew,

who are also retired FBI profilers.

This is part two of two episodes of our analysis of

the murder of Annie Lay. So if you haven't listened to Part 1, please go back and do so.

So all this information has been provided. The investigation continues.

And then very sadly, on September 13th of 2009, Annie was located.

This was on the day that she was supposed to get married.

So Susan, if you want to kind of talk about where she was located and why that's important. On September 13th, they again searched the building. They went back in, and in particular, they went back in with

cadaver dogs. And these are law enforcement dogs that have been specifically trained to alert

on the smell of human remains. Actually, upon entering a locker room, which was located on the lower level of the building where the

laboratory was, that upon entering that room, that even to the investigators that were with the

dogs, an odor was detected, that they, I guess from their experience knew to be that of

decay or of a decomposing body.

And the dogs were brought in there and immediately alerted to the presence of a decomposing body.

So now they searched the locker room and they eventually were able to identify that the area where the odor was coming from was concealed

within a wall that was directly behind a toilet in the locker room. Something called a mechanical

chase, which is a very small area usually between two walls that you normally would not see,

where pipes or wiring or something is fed from room to room or from one floor to another,

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