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Today we're joined by Shira Frankel. She's the author of the best-selling book and ugly truth inside Facebook's battle for domination and a former colleague of mine from the BuzzFeed Newsday. Shira, welcome to the show.

Hey, Alex. Thanks for having me.

Hey, I've enjoyed watching your reporting journey after we've both left BuzzFeed. And I remember sitting next to you in the BuzzFeed newsroom when you wrote the tweet,

everything's been hacked.

We just don't know about it yet.

And it turned out that was pretty prescient, especially in the case of Facebook.

So it was nice reading a full-length book about how that was exactly what happened in the case of Facebook.

Yeah, I think I was just getting started in cybersecurity reporting and just sort of coming to terms myself with how much of the internet had been hacked. And we just didn't know that yet.

Yeah. So let's get right into your book. I want to start a bit meta. Because to many people, the criticism from journalists about Facebook boils down to two things. One thing they say

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