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From Pushkin Industries, this is Deep Background, the show where we explore the stories behind the stories in the news.

I'm Noah Feldman. As loyal listeners know, this fall on Deep Background, we ran a mini-series called Deep Bench, about how a club for lawyers, called the Federalist Society, became the most powerful legal organization in the country.

My producers and I have turned this series into an audiobook called Takeover,

how a conservative student club captured the Supreme Court.

You can get it on Pushkin's website, Pushkin.fm, or on Audible, or wherever you get your

audiobooks.

The Federal Society was started 35 years ago, roughly, after a successful, surprising conference of

conservative law students at Yale University. I tell you all about it in the audiobook.

To celebrate the audiobook's release today, I'm speaking to Eugene Meyer, the president and CEO of

the Federalist Society. Gene has been and CEO of the Federalist Society.

Gene has been deeply involved with the Federalist Society literally since it came into existence,

as you will hear in our conversation.

And he is uniquely well-placed to talk about the trajectory of the institution in the past and into the future.

Gene, thank you so much for joining me. I'm really grateful to you. I want to start by asking you

about your own experience with the Federalist Society. I know you've been working with the

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