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🗓️ 3 March 2021
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Dr. Carl Hart, neuroscientist and author of the provocative new book “Drug Use for Grown Ups: Chasing Liberty in the Land of Fear” questions the way we understand, regulate, and police drugs in America. Dr. Hart argues that most drugs are safer than we realize, and the negative effects of drugs are overstated and misunderstood. His research raises larger questions about policing, race, poverty, and mental health.
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0:48.7 | stories in the news. The world is full of books proposing counterintuitive claims about the way things are. |
0:59.1 | You could even say books like that are a dime a dozen. |
1:02.8 | But Dr. Carl Hart's book, Drug Use for grownups, is exceptional, and I might even call it unique. |
1:10.2 | You may have heard about it in the press recently. |
1:13.3 | Dr. Hart provocatively argues that drugs, including drugs like heroin, are much safer |
1:20.2 | physiologically than we ordinarily think. |
1:23.9 | And that the major dangers, including the dangers of addiction, come from comorbidities, |
1:30.1 | risks that people have associated with mental illness and poverty, |
1:34.5 | and not from the physiological substrate of these drugs themselves. |
1:39.9 | He goes further than that, suggesting that we need a radical reform in light of a new understanding of drugs as having far fewer negative effects than we believe, and far more positive effects associated with the altering of consciousness than we usually consider. |
1:59.7 | Dr. Hart is a professor of neuroscience and psychology at Columbia |
2:03.3 | University, where he's been chair of his department, and his research focuses on the physiological |
2:08.7 | and behavioral effects of psychoactive drugs. The book is heavily, deeply footnoted, as I learned |
2:16.1 | by reading it closely and going into the footnotes. |
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